Comments on: Already crowded express trains stopping at Surrey Hills http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/ The day and the life of Jeremy Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:14:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Alex Makin http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-29 Alex Makin Thu, 04 Aug 2005 04:33:16 +0000 http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-29 Glenferrie is a major trip generator along the Belgrave/Lilydale line and as such while it is in close proximity to Camberwell it still warrants a regular and consistent stopping service. While the Belgrave/Lilydale line obviously serves commuter to CBD traffic it also caters significantly for shorter distance activity centre to activity centre travel. Box Hill with its TAFE, hospital and commercial facilities is a major trip generator, as is Ringwood, (rail junction) Camberwell (rail junction and commercial district) and Glenferrie (University facilities and tram connections). Ultimately the crowding along this rail line occurs prior to Box Hill. Running expresses Box Hill to Richmond will not alleviate this, instead express services between Ringwood and Box Hill (perhaps stopping Blackburn for Monash University and Nunawading for bus services to Glen Waverley) are required. Glenferrie as a major trip generator is far too valuable to require passengers the inconvenience of transferring at Camberwell for a connecting service. Alex Glenferrie is a major trip generator along the Belgrave/Lilydale line and as such while it is in close proximity to Camberwell it still warrants a regular and consistent stopping service.

While the Belgrave/Lilydale line obviously serves commuter to CBD traffic it also caters significantly for shorter distance activity centre to activity centre travel. Box Hill with its TAFE, hospital and commercial facilities is a major trip generator, as is Ringwood, (rail junction) Camberwell (rail junction and commercial district) and Glenferrie (University facilities and tram connections).

Ultimately the crowding along this rail line occurs prior to Box Hill. Running expresses Box Hill to Richmond will not alleviate this, instead express services between Ringwood and Box Hill (perhaps stopping Blackburn for Monash University and Nunawading for bus services to Glen Waverley) are required.

Glenferrie as a major trip generator is far too valuable to require passengers the inconvenience of transferring at Camberwell for a connecting service.

Alex

]]> By: jeremy http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-28 jeremy Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:34:36 +0000 http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-28 Glenferrie is an interesting one as well. On one hand it's too soon after Camberwell and express trains should really only stop at major interchanges. Though on the other hand it is serving a University and one of the few decent feeder services (route 69 tram) on the line. So it definitely as far more justification for express trains stopping than Surrey Hills. If there is some weight for not stopping express trains at Glenferrie, anyone travelling to this destination from the east could easily change to an Alemain at Camberwell. This may also alleviate some of the pressure caused by Alemain line passengers transferring to express services. As for those travelling from other lines, Glenferrie isn't all that far from Richmond even if you're stopping at all stations. Either way, I think there needs to greater consistency. If trains should continue to stop at Glenferrie, then all those that currently stop at Camberwell should also stop at Glenferrie. If that is an issue with crowding then maybe run more Richmond to Box Hill expresses, if the line capacity could handle this. Glenferrie is an interesting one as well. On one hand it’s too soon after Camberwell and express trains should really only stop at major interchanges. Though on the other hand it is serving a University and one of the few decent feeder services (route 69 tram) on the line. So it definitely as far more justification for express trains stopping than Surrey Hills.

If there is some weight for not stopping express trains at Glenferrie, anyone travelling to this destination from the east could easily change to an Alemain at Camberwell. This may also alleviate some of the pressure caused by Alemain line passengers transferring to express services. As for those travelling from other lines, Glenferrie isn’t all that far from Richmond even if you’re stopping at all stations.

Either way, I think there needs to greater consistency. If trains should continue to stop at Glenferrie, then all those that currently stop at Camberwell should also stop at Glenferrie. If that is an issue with crowding then maybe run more Richmond to Box Hill expresses, if the line capacity could handle this.

]]> By: Peter http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-27 Peter Tue, 02 Aug 2005 04:04:43 +0000 http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-27 Surrey Hills is an interesting case, due to: 1. it is served by Melbourne's most highly patronised bus route (700) 2. it being in Jeff Kennett's electorate (and marginal for a while) Neither of these are any longer the case, so stopping patterns at Surrey Hills is worth another look (despite it being a premium station). As to Surrey Hills vs Mont Albert, topography, traffic and street layout make it less accessible than Surrey Hills for people living south of the pedestrian-hostile Canterbury Rd. Peter Surrey Hills is an interesting case, due to:

1. it is served by Melbourne’s most highly patronised bus route (700)
2. it being in Jeff Kennett’s electorate (and marginal for a while)

Neither of these are any longer the case, so stopping patterns at Surrey Hills is worth another look (despite it being a premium station).

As to Surrey Hills vs Mont Albert, topography, traffic and street layout make it less accessible than Surrey Hills for people living south of the pedestrian-hostile Canterbury Rd.

Peter

]]> By: Alex Makin http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-26 Alex Makin Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:06:20 +0000 http://www.jeremy.id.au/2005/08/01/already-crowded-express-trains-stopping-at-surrey-hills/#comment-26 Glenferrie definitely warrants a regular stopping service, the decision to alternative between a Surrey Hills stopper and Glenferrie stopper simply creates an element of confusion. The majority of trains in the morning peak are already full at Box Hill and this is further compounded at Camberwell or Surrey Hills stations. Coordinating services between express and stopping-all-stations trains would be the optimal solution, as this could also allow for express services between Ringwood and Box Hill. Box Hill would be an interchange between the services, as would Camberwell with a stopping-all-stations service from Alamein. Alex Glenferrie definitely warrants a regular stopping service, the decision to alternative between a Surrey Hills stopper and Glenferrie stopper simply creates an element of confusion.

The majority of trains in the morning peak are already full at Box Hill and this is further compounded at Camberwell or Surrey Hills stations.

Coordinating services between express and stopping-all-stations trains would be the optimal solution, as this could also allow for express services between Ringwood and Box Hill. Box Hill would be an interchange between the services, as would Camberwell with a stopping-all-stations service from Alamein.

Alex

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